So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. Newman continued his heinous activities and was finallyarrested in 2010. The bigger, more scary, question is why people in the pews go along with that thinking. NOBODY will EVER believe yoU! and as backup support when things get sticky (Friends in High Places, like Facilier the Bokor in Disneys The Princess and the Frog.) 1. Well, Forced Sex IS a classic Animal Forced Dominance Display. pete newman was an amazing man that obviously all of you did not know. () Those are red flags in itself, but for some reason, it was just OK to bring your 13-year-old boy (companion) with you on overnight trips. Putting a building on a pedestal does not fall in that category. I will try. The more education, the better. "We're going to try to renew our vows and do something different because of it. Its like the sexual harassment protection racket. In an expos published by The Dispatch, David and Nancy French detailed how Kanakuk Kamp in Branson, Missouri, handled reports of abuse committed by Pete Newman, a former camp counselor who rose in the ranks to become the camp's director and used his position to groom boys. 1 priority. . Even though our old church considered the NIV the devils work, I like the way its translators put it: But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for Gods holy people. Whats the point of these background checks if they dont prevent hiring a criminal? Not sure how this is done without being in touch with ones own conscious and developing wisdom over time? A genuine person will never be invested in making you think theyre so wonderful. "Sadly, Pete Newman was a master of deception fooling family, friends, neighbors, and us as his former employer. Its one of the things that bothers me about GRACE that I have mentioned before. During the late Cold War, wasnt the KGB term for such types Useful Idiots? But I dont know that this movement appeals to as many people as they seem to think it will. Its shocking the first time. He tells us that he confronted Pete Newman directly and afterward had a series of disturbing conversations with Joe White. Some eventually do make it all the way across the Tiber (my alley and some find a refuge in the beautiful eastern Orthodox Churches, which is REALLY a change for them coming into eastern Christian ways of seeing the faith of Our Lord . Did he really believe that because its what hed been told by Joe White, or did he know more? Ugh, I have seen this ruin a person. And I only believe about 10% of what they say or do.Lord come soon!!!!! It welcomes tens of thousands of campers to five overnight "kamps" each summer more than 500,000 to date, Kanakuk says. I think so. "The sin is what goes on in the mind. I guess it comes down to, what did Bryan Loritts know and when did he know it? I am trying to wrap my head around this Christian lawyer who claims to be a victim advocate. I cried reading this. But fixing the heart? Membership Covenants Or people thinking we can bring repentant molester cons back into institutions. Wishful pontificating? One of my college sons chose to spend this summer working at a huge Christian summer camp in NW ArkansasI was not impressed with a number of things, one of which is that camp staff didnt inform some of the girls counsellors that they had been assigned a cabin of troubled girls. Do you get the feeling that keeping women out of power is WAY more important to these folks than protecting them or children? It's two grand-plus to go to camp for two weeks. I am well aware that if any situations arise, whether camper to camper or staff to camper, its anybodys guess if any responsible counselor will be notified, if a camper will be believed, if a parent is informed, even if a higher up staff member is informed, much less law enforcement. I dont care if your a man or woman. I pray frequently for Petes victims healing, and that Pete remains in jail while here on earth. he has a special place in gods heart, always. I once saw my manipulator younger brother spend FIFTEEN YEARS on a Long Con of personal revenge against our stepmother. That is why they both told us to be diligent. @ Lea: Hes in the cesspool himself. I am a husband, a father, a son, brother, uncle, friend, a local community member, a chosen child of God, and a Kanakuk Child Sexual Abuse Survivor. That is how the name con artist was coined.. confidence trick or confidence artist. I think this is one reason child sexual predation is played down and people end up feeling empathy for molesters especially Christian ones. Here is how he is listed in Wikipedia. There is no more blatant picture of filth than one who would victimize and seek to corrupt innocent, vulnerable children. My paraphrase: Oh, it was just some kids they hardly count, hardly matter, I do think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. Im afraid I do not give a pass for any adult who knew about this activity and blew it off. Needless to say that was not either of the leading two that we now have to choose from. no big deal!?!? Yes. Im not sure if he brings lawsuits on behalf of victims at this time. So the new rule concerned her for several reasons one of which she did not know the new volunteer youth leaders (seminary students) well at all. Joe and his camp, Kanakuk, have been sued by Multiple former campers claiming that he and the camp knew that former employee Pete Newman was abusing children on camp grounds from 1999-2009. What message does this send to our children about Christian leadership? We no longer go to church, but we are the Church, weve just found other, safer ways of meeting together that dont involve narcissistic/dangerous/abusive men and their vicious little fiefdoms. In an effort to be completely honest,Dee got sucked into the hype for this camp and two of our children spent a few summers there. Just My Personal Opinion but its abundantly clear to me that the least of these (women and children) do not matter to the men who lead / led Fellowship Memphis. @wartwatch @ThouArtTheMan Would be interesting to see the pay-per-view history from the NAMB guys staying in those rooms. If you mean that ones own thoughts and feelings (the conscience) are sufficient in themselves without scripture to mediate that personal responsibility to God, then no that was not what I was taught. "That was like a solid eight hours we're in mediation, just like, zero empathy or respect for us from the Kanakuk side, just downplaying everything that happened, lowballing us on the settlement figure.". last and in between it was always what does the bible say about that and one then was expected to go by what the bible said, not by what one just thought for themselves. What was ever wrong with trusting in Jesus Christ ? I am at a loss when it comes to people in institutions looking the other way. Btw: I never heard sola scriptura and the other solas except in the Reformed world. They believed this way before they ever had a ministry, but they did have men in the church and pastors grooming them and telling them that a call from God meant they would do great things. I have a feeling many of the Church have been exiled by the goatocracy of male headship pastors who are frightened by any real diversity within his realm. Nothing happened to you?' The leadership, that knowingly invites the sick predators near children, has an even GREATER responsibility for what happens as a result. I usually chose a wide variety of day camps and other activities to fill their summer with fun. Top/down authoritarian polity churches dont fire their leaders. It is my hope that Kanakuk be successfully sued for their lack of diligence with the lives of children. Most judges throw them out. But yes, it is all a lie. You could argue PR would be a reason to keep things quite at fellowship when something bad happened on their watch, but retaining a person on staff who is a child predator and actually has been arrested for that is bad PR! About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . We also have this notion that bad people will look bad, kind of like in Disney shows where the good are beautiful and the bad are ugly. She's like, 'Right, Keith? Its peaceful. The 501(d) has since dissolved. We are talking about something that cannot just be repented of but something that is the persons very identity- who they are. They view such evil as normal. There is never a real sincere moment even when they seem so sincere. Milton Friedman talked about how you have to make it profitable for people to do the right thing, I think punitive is just the opposite of that, you make it costly to do the wrong thing. Imagine women screening someone hired to serve at the Church the safety of their children would be their FIRST concern, which is as it should be. I know who you are referring to and no, I dont believe he converted. The only bad part: I missed the Oak Ridge boys by a week. How does anyone overlook this? Many here have referred to it as the long con. We must fight the good fight. The problem is that people who abuse in such a fashion are SKILLED liars! Birds of a feather flock together. nwhiker Sometimes you have to ask WHY. Brava, Mirle. I dont know. Dygert said, "We know people who've never told anyone. Please check out what I actually said in the original comment. When did that go by? It's been over 20 years since the abuse began for me by Pete Newman of Kanakuk Kamps. Real leaders are humble and they are transparent. Dygert said he signed a non-disclosure agreement with Kanakuk. Among some people there is such an emphasis on doctrine that one may wonder if they believe in salvation by doctrine alone. However, when I google soul competency for a definition what I see there does not seem to be what you are saying, so we may be talking about two different things. And I found something interesting: Historically there have been two archetypes of Antichrist: The Fanatic Persecutor and The Slick Deceiver (easily symbolized by The Beast and The False Prophet). Greg Love is more victim prevention. Jacobins stage a Coup on the Dantonists. But fixing the heart? I was quoting Paul in 1 Corinthians 2:2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you but Jesus Christ and Him crucified (NIV). Now the lion is the dentist Fixing the mentality behind the protection of evil men? Through offshoots like Youth Life (now dubbed "K-Life"), Kanakuk reaches even more children and teenagers than those who attend camp. He says he wont sue the church, because he would find it uncomfortable to explain to Jesus how he took the churchs money and gave Him back 10%. What I came to see (up close and personal) is that they have convinced themselves (due to their success in their little kingdoms) that their ministry/message is blessed by God and nothing can be allowed to stain that. The people have a right to know. I am not surprised that anyone (especially those that lean towards giving the benefit of the doubt) would have downplayed the seriousness of what Pete had done. Pete was one of the most passionate, enthusiastic and sincere (seeming) believers I had ever met. . I had always though they could be identified by their smooth tongue only to find out many have a real gift for listening. It beggars the mind, it really does. I wonder how many have had their outlook on life disfigured because Paul Newman molested them and because Joe White did not fire him and report him to the police. Former Kanakuk camp counselor Peter Newman is already serving two life sentences, plus 30 years, at the Jefferson City Correctional Center. 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