Yeah, how is that even an argument? It is a medium tank like the Panther II or T-44. - East Germany suffers! 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. Only salt and betrayal.Thanks for watching!Subscribe for decent content next time (hopefully). The Challenger 2 is the third vehicle of this name, the first being the A30 Challenger, a World War II design using the Cromwell tank chassis with a 17-pounder gun. Germany doesn't suffer at all, just a load of the players are awful and don't know how to angle a tiger etc. And no I wasn't talking about the swingfire I mean the 7.7 german raketenjagdpanzer 2 literally fires the same missiles as the STRV.81 (which also has a gun) and yet sits a whole BR higher for some reason. Ok, so you don't agree that it is easier to flank with small and fast vehicles? Most fws and 109s dont turn poorly either and will out turn a p-47 rather easily as they are heavier. It's best to make do with what you have at the moment plus its amusing flanking with big bulky vehicles. Internal mods of higher tier vehicles are more durable, sometimes not even the engine starts burning if you shot a shell into the back of an rank 4 enemy. Noone does the same with panthers. Or this amazing times when you play the tractor simulator trying to get you slow vehicle to this surprising spot which takes you forever, and hoping that noone shoots or bombs you on the way there. Fires, backs up to cover from return fire etc, flanks if need be. But yes, if manage to get in a flanking spot undetected you can flank with it. Fapadoska, 1 hour ago in Questions to the Team. #warthunder #shorthunder Hey! Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. Tracks cover most of the hull so thats a no-go unless you're literally 10m away. Done. Tried to flank with the Tortoise? However there comes the real germany suffers thing. while proclaiming yourself in some sort of 'neutral good' position. Threads 63 Messages 220. . Yeah why wouldn't it? While German vehicles cannot quite match others vehicles in a drag race, this does not mean German vehicles are bad. Welcome to r/Warthunder. It's strengths clearly outweighs it's burdens when the game is based around city/village structures. interactions? It's just that the slow/tall/heavy tanks are usually on the bad end with the current level design. panzer ii ausf l luchs mit bildern panzer panzer ii. In real life, German cats had a more advanced system/concept known as regenerative steering, this is vastly more energy efficient and especially useful for these heavy late wartanks, and other tanks after the war. germany 5.3-6.3 problem its the same as soviet mbts 8.7-10.3 problem. Besides, Panther II mounts the long 88 so T__ tanks still can and will bounce it with ease. I bought the premium centurion to grind britain and rarely had this problem. But the issue is most players have these vehicles they weren't exclusive or timed events. Despite the complaints about Germany's WRs, they're not bad really. Panthers has not too much problems in their brs. Doesn't fit good mobility meta. Has 7.1 second reload (slower than 6.7s of the 105 L7 guns), -6 gun depression, and only 17.3 deg/sec traverse, so it doesn't fit gun handling meta. You have to angleit correctly to make it work. He was 60 years old. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. It's very weak side armor also means that it's close to pointless to angle it, compared to the Tiger I. Two world wars and two pandemics are just a few of the many historic events witnessed by Sister Andre during her 118 years. Now, lets address the imagined problems of Germany so that the real ones can be identified and addressed! Theres no reason why being put this tank agains opponents which pens it easy and having slow rate of fire to fight them. As far as I know, nothing about that have been mentioned since it was "being worked on" back in 2017. This is something that only the brits can do reliably at this BR and you can't just discount it as an advantage. (small note, i forgot the T__ has cast armor, it's frontal protection is actually 190mm at it's weakest. No, the good players, because we need to play with this.. other 90% of the other players, that only got enough braincells to press W. Just carry, its what I do. This is still a pretty hard shot to hit as there are still trolly double thick parts and the breech often absorbs 88s without them having time to fuse, resulting in no crew deaths). I've been playing the Su-100P lately (pretty underrated, but could still use a lower BR to match the regular Su-100) and it baffles me how many pumas I am seeing from 5.7-7.7. T-80U only fixes armor (although weakspots veeerrry preminent), slightly better HP/T (still -10 kph reverse though), and a slightly better reload (6.5s but still slightly slower than other 120mms). And here comes the issue with uptiers. One thing to mention is that german 6.7 is actually really good against soviet 6.7, it's the stabilized brit APDS ATGM throwers and impenetrable american T__ heavy tanks that really hurt. If anyone has any genuine strategy for killing T__ I'm all ears. They usually tend to be just as useless as those M22s too. Thats why you will often see lack of initiative and decisiveness on German teams. Want Germany to be more competitive at 5.3-6.7? 6. Because heat rounds don't care about armor. The M18's like any vehicle that doesn't get shot. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Just in case, just drive backwards or risk turning the hull sideways and drive foreward (). The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. Turret is 200mm at it's weakest and will bounce if the enemy angles or is at long range. In which I have to say no, it's not ONLY the Germans that have bad reverse speeds. The allegation is that because the Germans Tigers and Panthers cannot keep pace with the Americans M18s, the Russians T-34-85s and other like vehicles that the Germans simply cannot compete with these vehicles or the teams that use them. This is a major drawback and makes this tank so special. The Panther, by contrast, is reasonably quick for a medium tank, retains decent armor and is vastly better armed. Which is why its more rewarding when they pull it off as they had to put more effort into making it work and that's what people need nowadays a challenge. As if the game and the race to the capture point ends the moment they get to it and then it just sits there waiting for the Panther to roll in. Most guns can penetrate it from the front. Let me repeat that. As for the Bf 110G, it is superb--it's only fault is that it's ranked as a Tier II rather than a Tier III. If you shoot the side of the turret its about 175mm thick but if you shoot the hull its about 77mm thick. There are things the T series better and the game tends to play to those advantages mord than to the tiger 2s but the differences between the two aren't much trust me on that one. Hardly an advantage. Germany has access to the P-47 the same way the US has access to the 109 and 190. The real question would be if you can deny the enemy taking the capture point from long ranges, which would be a resounding no. There's also the issue of the T__ having 6 crew all very well spaced apart, so if by some miracle I get lucky enough to do damage the T__ will just reverse away at high speed and repair. The majority of the 7.92 German ammunition types go seemingly unused in the game, especially all the high velocity variants of the bullets. Everything about the HRE, NGC, GE, WR, GR, SP, FRG and GDR. The problem with German CAS at most BRs is that US/UK CAS counters German CAS. This trend follows most nations and Germany is no exception. They still exist just can't be unlocked by new players anymore. Weaponry, I myself often wonder why German players don't just take out their CAS when playing against 5.7-7.7 brits for example, since most of the brit tanks at that level can be easily penned even by .50 cal weapons from the air. Then yes, M18 would be toast. How do you bounce on a flat piece of armour? Well you know what they say, the turtle always wins. The problem here is that Japan doesn't have a lot of players and thus meeting japanese aircraft is pretty rare in RB. The Panthers' reverse situation is one that's not terribly extraordinary because poor reverse speed is a commonplace of many tanks--particularly those of the British. Last time I played my king tiger I shot the T34s barrel as that was the only spot I knew I could reliably disarm him, then he just took out my barrel with .50s and I got killed by one of his teammates. For instance: in the M18's case, this is manifest in its far greater bounciness. Are you serious? (If you can tell us, ofc I understand you might not be able to.) All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. I don't feel I need assume such things as this is already quite relevant to my interests. Get comfy and ambush them,you said it yourself he has five options give him a sixth one he forgot, two places they'll never look behind themselves or above themselves or I guess threeif you count beingfar away. Seems many new players fell to this trap. Probably you should just Okha the last bomb into the target, cause rearming takes too long anyways. You can do just as well with a vehicle that has different strengths if you use those strengths correctly. At least 5 times! Personally, I'd rather be able to harm an enemy frontally than a bit faster than him but forced to flank. This can be minimized if you slow down first (knowing there is an enemy out there). SIKE German mains am I right? 0 capable AA's, meanwhile germany is literally spoilt with choice. While mobility has it's place, it's only one of the triad of armament, armor and mobility. Germany has a P-47 that lacks bombs and rockets, which means it is not burdened by those as distractions or dead weight in the case of opposing fighters. An uptier will barely affect the performance of an M18. Denying that problem only makes it worse. The turret is ok, not the best, but gives the 76mm and 85mm some trouble. Those things are a really easy kill as long as you see them first. APDS is guaranteed damage, just aim for specific crew one at a time or shoot for modules. I like Abandoned Factory, I think Middle East is trash. I am sure that these questions are on many peoples' minds and you are asked at least some of these questions often. Click here to jump to that post. Top tier meta is good survivability, mobility, and gun handling, as armor doesn't matter with laser rangefinders and high velocity APFSDS along with lots of CQB maps making weakspots easily hit. You make it sound like the T series doesn't have to aim for weak points also. In that experience, I have found that. Charlotte Elizabeth, Principalities and powers in heavenly places, 1842. On 13/02/2020 at 09:16, watch_your_fire said: On 13/02/2020 at 00:46, AnimeThighs said: On 13/02/2020 at 10:33, WilderHans said: On 15/02/2020 at 09:37, Inflatable_CampR said: Addressing Germany's real problems: finding the truth behind "Germany suffers! That ammo should not be stock! That's just how a downtier works no matter the battlerating. You can flank it and still fail to pen with many of the guns at this BR. As said above, aircraft carriers don't exist in arcade. When you have 2 identical vehicles performing differently by a noticeable margin with the only variable being the people who play them, it really makes you wonder. Slow speed handling of the Panther is also very bad, making it a bad brawler in CQC situations where you most likely would have to turn with the traverse to get on target in that tank. You can't aim when they shot in your direction. Just an endemic lack of knowledge of what assets are available to the Germans, 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Puma 50mm Panzergranate has pretty low post pen damage on higher tier tanks. This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. People like to complain about the cause being UK 6.7, but tanks like the Panther II have almost double the games than any of the UK tanks. What? You cant carry against so many players. Which isn't as many as the P-47 you still get access to the same 1,000 pounder and 500 pounder it gets just not at once. All these three things are in fact WT top tier meta. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. The best editions of doctor oz supplement pills for ed Florus are Duker s, 2 vols. This is especially visible while on 6.7 when vehicles of the same tier can lol pen Tiger II upf. Eh, the significance of this is overstated. Forming a wide line and covering each other. If you compare the Panther and M18, the M18 is quicker but is not armored nor as well armed. Isn't it a bit dishonest to completely "forget" to bring out the more negative aspects of the panther? But to argue the tiger 2 has a worse hull than the T series is a joke. Tried to flank with the Tortoise? He is guaranteed to be faster at the cap point and can set up an ambush. warrior412, February 10, 2020 in General & Upcoming. 3. The long 88 can kill the Cent before it can point precisely on its turret cheek. I am obviously not among the greatest pilots out there but I am decent from what I found on thunderskill and I have to say this is plain wrong. What will you bring? And I've never lost my barrel to 50s ever in all the time I've played German tanks. Apds isn't guaranteed damage actually put rounds through things and have done no damage on many occasions. 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