When did Paul study under Gamaliel? Anyway, I should save a throne for him too.. Dmando0110. Maybe there is someone I could bounce this off, to get some ideas. and I get upset as we read the bible and let someone with their interpretation do interpret for us ,no one can haggle the word of God. Yes you clearly are removing them from Jewish culture and using Constantine-Christianity and replacement theology to float most of your website. (I dare you to use this in your class), I know a girl made of memories and phrases, lives her whole life in chapters and phases -Jimmy Buffett. St. Paul is simply an elect vessel, as an Apostle! Happy Pentecost 2017 All praise be to Jesus. 3) the apostle Paul prides himself on having sat at the feet of Gamaliel. He was raised in a Jewish society and home because everyone in the entire New Testament are Jews (or converts) who followed Torah. This mantra is a misinterpretation out of context of 2 Timothy 3:16. I appreciate your many responses to this thread.as I wrote this response you have added a few more! This is getting boring. He is also quick to associate with gentiles, so he does not have a deep-seated hate for Romans in general as well. I am not at all removing Paul (or Jesus) from the culture of the Second Temple period, but I certainly more aware of what was happening in the first century that you appear to be. Having other ideas that moves us away from the scripture is tantamount to adding or subtracting from the Word which we are forbidden to do. People tend to forget that Yeshua himself stated that we are to listen to the Pharisees for they sit in the seat of Moses. For that matter, was he even n the observing crowd at the time of the 1st Pentecost speech by Peter? QUOTE The Bible is none other than the voice of Him that sitteth upon the throne! How likely is it that the acknowledged leaders of the church today could come to such unanimous theological agreement? What ends up as what we call Christianity and Judaism today both some out of the turmoil of the first two centuries. I wont say Im high on Jesus, and so using a mind-altering drug for recreational purposes is wrong, because Jesus is better. I dont want to be rejected by my peers. Since November 2021, Reading Acts is edited by Sarah Westphal. Gamaliel became a leading authority in the Sanhedrin, the highest Jewish court in Jerusalem. If you Torah-observant Jews dont believe that the Yeshua (Jesus) of the 4 Gospels is really the Jewish Messiah, can you back that up with Torah and Nabiim ? Wow, that Love Song concert was groovy, man. But lets agree on a fact about what is written in the New Testament text. We proclaim with a big smile And Jesus is my co-pilot So Im always top of the pile, God our Father loves his children He is patient as we grow So we take another step Its The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, As we journey with The Moose Faithfully by our side We get a revelation We have to swallow our pride, He must become greater He really is The Star I must become less, but still with Him Ill travel far, You must follow me, says Jesus In His eyes I see a twinkle He is not My friend I am HIS Jesus is The Star like Bullwinkle. I. Mantra: All Scripture is God-breathed.. More Wright supposition! When cult members repeat their mantra, it makes them deaf to the voice of God, unable to hear God. I find it interesting to look at this perspective that you pointed out, PLong: He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view. Everyone seems to give Saul a bad rap (and rightly so) for his actions towards believers before his conversion, however, this at least gives us a context to understand him better. Not the Jesus of the Koran, written by Muhammad the self-appointed prophet, and not the Jesus of Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed apostle. Paul may very well have studied under Gamaliel and from there established the groundwork from which to build a new movement. ), was the portable earthly dwelling place of Yahweh (the God of Israel) used by the Israelites from the. It is said that in the 5th century, by a miracle, his body had been discovered and taken to Pisa Cathedral. There were no other New Testament books, and the Hebrew Scriptures were the Old Testament which was irrelevant, according to the heretic Marcion.) So what is the application of this parable? Of course Gamaliel might have buried St. Stephen as an act of charity, given his stature in the community, not withstanding the hostility of the public. Paul said: I became your father. Paul is the model pastor for many modern Pauls like; a) Bob Coy, who still owns all the assets and controls all the money at his cult known as Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, in spite of his recent resignation as Senior Pastor there due to adultery with multiple woman and other major sins that he still has never specifically admitted to personally. Paul, Silas, and Timothy desired to enter Asia to spread the gospel there, but the Holy Spirit prevented them. Also known as Saul of Tarsus, he had been rescued by Roman troops and now faced the people from a stairway near the temple in Jerusalem. Note: ingrafted Gentiles were branches of the tree and not replacements of Israel of the entire tree (replacement theology). If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about A.D. 6 at the earliest. because he said so. Its no stretch to say Gamaliel was a Hillelite and Saul was a Shammaite. Lets listen to the voice of Jesus first, and get our priorities straight. R. N. The Lord Jesus clinches this point: if ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free (John 8:31-32). The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ? How about written in stone in heaven (in other words, for eternity.) It makes a big difference to the owner, the worker objected. St. Gamaliel, also Gamaliel the Elder or or Rabbi Gamaliel I (Hebrew: ; Greek: ) was a Pharisee who was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin, a doctor of the Law (Acts 5:34-40), and the teacher of St Paul (Acts 22:3). If yes, then are Pauls subjective states really discernible as correlates to these two different schools based only on Pauls texts? [Acts 18}, .5) Paul acting as an abusive absentee overseer / pastor to the Church in Corinth years after he abandoned them, and clinging to all power and claim to control of money and all aspects of the church ministry, while he was hundreds of miles away teaching full-time in his own school in Ephesus. I dont want to bite the hand that feeds me (and my family). I remember the general approach to the Bible at Dallas being that every word in the 66 Books is the Word of God.. and we should interpret it based on the intended meaning of the author in the historical grammatical context.. The only place in the New Testament that mentions anything like Seven Mountains is Revelation 17, seven hills on which the woman sits. (The Great Prostitute, that is.) Its based on a misinterpretation, out of context, of one verse in one letter written by one man, Paul the Pharisee, who was unfamiliar with the personal ministry and teaching of Jesus. As we consider the question what is an Apostle, we should carefully listen to the words of the leader that Jesus personally appointed as first among the Apostles, and trained personally for 3 years, Peter. As a result, Paul calls Peter a hypocrite for following Maase HaTorah or in English Works of the Law instead of what following what the Torah actually stated. Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). I am one of those who obey Gods commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. [Revelation 12:17] No Im not perfect without sin, and No I dont know everything now. Some of the trials were limited to the high priest and his inner circle, it is likely the entire 70 member Sanhedrin met to dal with Jesus. However the church now says the law has been done away with and they have replace Israel. Bibliography: Bruce Chilton, Rabbi Jesus 28-47; Gamaliel in ABD 2:904. Wright (and others) point out that Gamaliel II seems more, er, pacifist Acts, while Paul seems to want to zealously pursue those who are accusing the High Priest of killing an innocent man. Gamaliel was himself a Pharisee in the tradition of the great Hillel. In Philippians 2:6-11 Paul states that Christ Jesus was preexistent and came to earth: he "emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, being born in human likeness." This sounds as if Jesus was a heavenly being who only appeared to be human. Gamaliel. In regards to Gamaliel, based off of Acts 5:35-40, he seemed to be a wise teacher. Gamaliel is reported to have offered somewhat lenient advice concerning the early preaching of the apostles (Acts 5:34-39). Anyway, Ill talk with Clinton and see if he has an idea for a short catchy slogan- maybe boiled down to four words or so. So being an Apostle of Jesus involves being sent by Jesus, yes. No mention of a cloudy past No hint of condemnation. Saul (Paul) Persecutes the Church [edit | edit source] In Chapter 9 of Acts, we come into close contact with Saul, later known as Paul, for the first time. When Saul encountered the Lords voice in Acts chapter 9, it makes me question if Saul had been hearing the Lords voice sooner, but he was not listening? The will of God is plainly revealed, showing all that man is to do, to be, to suffer, and enjoy. Perhaps on the basis of a preserved tradition that he oversaw the body of St. Stephen. Is the Word of God a revelation to man? The answer to that question is, they have been listening to the voice of Paul, rather than the voices of Jesus and the Original Apostles. If he didnt have the teaching and influence then he wouldnt of had such a bold and confidence approach when speaking to other people. That is absolutely incorrect. We are supposed to paint the house first. Thanks, Andrew. Quick question (not one of my posts), was Paul around/among those that put Jesus to death?? Critics also say that Pauls exegesis takes from later documents. So get to work! The title of Adolf Hitler as the leader of the German Nazis, author of Mein Kamph. Exactly what Issa (p) al Masih said NOT TO! What Jesus clearly and specifically said is also superior and more important than your opinions about what you think Jesus meant or implied, but didnt say elsewhere. Your ignorant slander of Paul shows a deep seated hatred toward God and His word. This is very similar to The Beatles- All you need is love. Was Judas present when Jesus spoke those words? If Christianity is the church as it is practiced in 2018 then you are correct, that is not present in the book of Acts. Yet he verbatim stated who he was and no one in the court said otherwise but well take your word for it. Silence since March now its June. In Gospel of John chapter 10, the Apostle John records many words of Jesus, including: My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me., I recommend reading the whole chapter (10), and listening to the voice of Jesus first (rather than the voice of a stranger like Paul first. I agree that the teaching of Gamaliel did influence his life and was the foundation of his ministry because he is a Talmudim from that school. Paul wrote 29 chapters to this church that he founded and then left after 18 months, and also we have Lukes biographical account starting in Acts 18:1. For example, Polhill says, The most interesting ruling preserved from Rabban Gamaliel was his insistence that a woman had the right to remarry upon the testimony of a single witness that her husband had died. His knowledge and metaphors have helped me relate more to what his letters say. I think we take Pauls claim here WAY too seriously. Here are 5 to get the discussion started: .1) Pauls boastful conflicting false testimonies, exaggerating and making things up about his conversion experience in Acts 22 & 26, compared to what actually happened (recorded by Luke in Acts 9). . What is undisputed is that Gamaliel was "held in . When Hillel died in 10 AD, his son Simon (Gamaliel's father) took over Hillel's position as the nasi, which means president, of the Sanhedrin. Im sorry to shatter your confirmation bias but YEshua nor Paul were Christians. Undoubtedly, most of the Jews knew who Gamaliel was, and thus they allowed Paul to speak. Cant accept the confirmation bias that the Brit Chadasha are jews observing Torah Judaism and removing corrupt fences. We can now understand as they did then, what God wills, what Christ said, and His ambassadors taught. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. [Romans 13:8-10, Leviticus 19:18]. Something Paul preaches repeatedly. While he agrees with Gamaliel, Paul wants to protect that which he loves. Second, Tarsus also exposed Paul to different cultures. They elevate the 4 Gospels above all other Scriptures, giving the 2 highest places of honor to the Gospels of Matthew and John and they have a special high place for Revelation too. Hello A. Gazali, It seems you have a hunger for the truth. Why is it so hard to give a straight answer to this simple question? Phillip, thank you. So if I wanted to be like Paul I could stretch the truth and claim that Marco Barrientos was my worship teacher- but really that would be name-dropping in order to impress people!, Quote from The Atlantic Monthly Magazine, January 1999 Article titled What is the Koran? by Toby Lester. Yes youre a cookie cutter christian typing up Constantine derivative nonese. It isnt a question of mens opinions about what Paul really meant or what Paul must have known or what Paul was actually referring to here or what Paul was clearly implying or what we must conclude that Paul was assuming, etc. Supposition isnt the problem. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Reblogged this on By the Mighty Mumford and commented: AN INTELLECTUAL OF THE TIME, PAUL LEARNED FROM THE BEST AND MOST COMPASSIONATE TEACHER AROUND! Paul was probably making reference to some of the Hebrew Scriptures, quite likely including the Law and the Prophets. Polhil states that perhaps around the age of fourteen to sixteen Paul went to Jerusalem to study under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), (30). Acts 22:3. I cannot imagine Paul competing in the gymnasium, even if he was Hellenized. Acts of the Apostles, 5 speaks of Gamaliel as a man held in great esteem by all Jews and as the Jewish law teacher of Paul the Apostle in Acts 22:3. . If we didnt also have the clear records in Mark and Luke, it would be a fairly logical assumption that Jesus sent them out right away, but it would still be just an assumption. (Two other saint also removed at that timer were St. Philomena and St. Christopher. Who was the famous Jewish teacher under whom St. Paul studied? What was his last name? How can we account for this violent reaction in a man trained by Gamaliel?, As a devout young Jewish man who was taught by quite a peaceful, que sera sera, member of the Sanhedrin, it is somewhat surprising that Paul (Saul at the time) would be one to persecute Jewish Christians so vehemently. it is not uncommon for a student to disagree with his teachers viewpoints. Gamaliel the Elder, or Rabban Gamaliel I, was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the early first century CE. I admit this is all speculation and I dont have a shred of evidence for any of this but it makes me wonder if Paul was trying to start something extraordinary within Judaism (As he mentions in his defense in Acts 22) and God harnessed that ambition for the glory and advancement of His Church. [1 & 2 Corinthians.}. Polhill goes on to talk about Paul studying Greek and by him studying under Gameliel and Hellenism, he would be around the gymnasium. Moreover, Paul preached that gentiles ingrafted into the olive tree were part of Israel is a teaching DIRECTLY from Hillel. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Pauls education. In practical terms, regarding texts of the Bible, that means that the most important words are the words of Jesus recorded by The Apostles Matthew and John (closely followed by Mark) in my view. . What is the meaning of Tentmaker? He was an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view (Jesus was the Messiah and the High Priest killed him!). 1. That is the order of address in near eastern culture and especially the Sanhedrin, being the Nazarite or the one ran by corrupted Pharisee and Sadducee. Finally in Troas, Paul received a vision of a man asking them to go into Macedonia (modern-day Greece). (seriously, when have a much of Jews or Christians agreed on anything? Paul has already been briefly mentioned in Acts in Chapters 7 and 8, in connection with the stoning of Stephen. If the mere thought of questioning Pauline Doctrine or Pauls truthfulness ruffles your feathers, its a sign that Pauls rotten spiritual fruit has taken root in your life. He was an expert in the law. About The Author Tovia Singer - Rabbi Tovia Singer is well known as the Founder and Director of Outreach Judaism, an international organization dedicated to countering the efforts of fundamentalist Christian groups and cults who specifically target Jews for conversion. However, there are other times when Paul puts his Christian beliefs and what Jesus has to say before the Pharisaical rules and is willing to break a rule or be mocked for something and instead, do something Jesus way. Hillel disagreed on this aspect, due to many converts in the Torah ( Ruth, Obidiah, Abraham etc.) As for burying Stephen, even if Gamaliel was not a Christian he would have been motivated to care for the dead, as demonstrated in Tobit. Paul, before his conversion, tended to be more like the Shammaites in that he was fairly violent and full of persecution. As a side note, Wright has an excellent article on that on http://www.ntwrightpage.com here: http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Paul_Arabia_Elijah.pdf. THey were called Nazarites or Netzarim (plural) or believers of the MEssianic movement (of that time) and were a sect of Judaism. Which owner would be upset if we finished early? Jesus and the Original Apostles knew what an Apostle is better than anyone else in the world. The followers of Yeshua and Shaul were not called Christians. This status gave him special privileges, and in some cases saved him from abuse (Acts 22:25-29). If Christianity means people who follow Jesus as messiah and savior then there is Christianity, beginning with Jewish followers of Jesus and moving out to the Gentiles through the Pauline mission. But Jesus said, do not take the best seats (Luke 14:7-11), and to be like a child (Luke 18:15-17). The Holy Trinity isnt Jesus, Paul, and Chuck. Jesus reminds us from The Law at the beginning, the Creator made them male and female. [Matthew 19:4, Genesis 1:27], As to the question of whether the Bible is ALL truly Gods WORDS. in a meticulous, more comprehensive way. Scripture does not state whether Saul was or was not in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus crucifixion. Posting links about Judaism doesnt correlate that you actually understand Judaism. Being a Pharisee did not disqualify you from believing in Yeshua. They make Paul the center, not Jesus. That is not really the case. Jesus calls us to Himself When The Show begins Were infants so He humors us Its Rocky and His Friends https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t-OzhlmvE. This is something Peter practiced and had a struggle with regarding gentiles because hes from the school of Shammi. No, I DONT want Paul to act like a Pope controlling all aspects of the church from a distance yet reading Pauls 2 letters to the church, it is clear to me this is exactly what he was doing. So, you are posting comments just to correct people you think are wrong? Paul is inferior, Jesus is superior. Its called Islam and it is True Religion and the fastest growing religion on earth because people are realizing that Christianity is built on a foundation of lies and the religion of the Nazarenes and Ebionites is preserved in Islam. Love as me, myself and I define love to be, and continuously redefined by sinful men. Mainstream Judaism also reject Josephus and its evident that he was clearly Jewish. In fact Paul was called Shaliach and Yeshua was called Rabbi. Then, in Acts 22:3, Paul says that he was "brought up in this . But I am a Reformed Anglican. teresa marina tabucchi; antonia reininghaus daughter; mountain view ar tornado 1996; safari photography settings; catfish bite force; professional executor services Paul wrote: The entire law is summed up in a SINGLE command: Love your neighbor as yourself. [Galatians 5:14, Leviticus 19:18], And again, Paul wrote: He who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. Why ignore the words of our Lord God Jesus Christ, Son of Yahweh the Most High God of Israel, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets? Jesus Leadership Training, The Book of Enoch for Beginners: A Guide to Expand Your Understanding of the Biblical World. How many times did Jesus speak to Paul? Paul is a Hillel talmudim through and though. Nave's Topical Index. Here however it plainly is not. In other words, had God been preparing Saul for this breakthrough prior to Acts chapter 9? Only after the house is finished and the paint is dry can we go and paint the garage.. Jesus never calls us out For what we used to be. imitate me.. Take a piece of scripture and make nutty doctrines/traditions out of them. My question is, is it too outrageous to see Pauls tendency (pre-conversion and post-conversion) as one that is either starting up a new hybrid of Jewish thought or a member of one of the smaller groups already formed? it was mandatory for all males at some point to go to yeshiva this applies to Yeshua and his disciples as well. The teachings he received included "the perfect manner of the law of the fathers" (Acts 22:3). Lets see. There were plenty of other messianic pretenders besides Jesus, the difference is that some claimed that he was raised form the dead. Had Paul studied under the great rabbi Gamaliel, he would have learnt the scriptures in the Hebrew lan. Gamaliel taught between A.D. 22-55, giving us an approximate early date for Paul's education. In Paul's letters we see that he had a deep understanding of the law. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do- this I keep on doing. [Romans 7:15-19] (Response- One more time! This has already been proven many times over that James the Just was a Nasi, the Nazarites had a Sanhedrin, and per Euseibus the first bishops of the church were Hebrews who taught Torah along with the teachings of Yeshua and you didnt have a gentile bishop until Mark. But is it correct to characterize Paul as an ultra-conservative reacting to what he perceived as a dangerous liberal view, namely, that Jesus was the Messiah and the High Priest killed him. The Lord Our God is ONE God Greatest Commandment according to the Messiah (p). Especially to a yeshiva student studying to be a Chazzan. There is a fine line to be drawn, sure God uses who we are to accomplish his will, but Paul was changed at his conversion. But it begs the question Why would early Christians claim Rabban as one of their own? Thats the short version of my definition of what is an Apostle.. Gamaliel may or may not have taken over the position when Simon died. Ill have to change the names on these 12 chalkboards hundreds of times in the next couple of millennia. I will say, The Jewish account maintains that he remained a Pharisee until his death makes perfect sense since we know that there were other Pharisees who were Christians in Acts 15, and Paul still claims to be a Pharisee when he testifies before the Sanhedrin in Acts 23:6. [23] The Orthodox church also venerates Gamaliel as a saint, where he is commemorated on August 2, the date when tradition states that his relics were found, along with those of the Apostle and Protomartyr Stephen and Nicodemus. .1) There is more New Testament text written specifically about the Church in Corinth than any other church, by far. They all make Paul and his teachings the one absolute standard of right and wrong, rather than Gods commandments and the testimony of Jesus. Neither Paul, nor James, nor Luke were with Jesus and the Apostles the whole time, so they were not qualified to be a witness with the Apostles of Jesus resurrection, which is what it means to be an Apostle. Rabbinical eras Chazal Zugot Tannaim Amoraim Savoraim Geonim Rishonim Acharonim v t e In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor The relics were found on 3 August AD 415. He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal disease and sickness. Which is the most important? Like a little squirrel dressed up As a flying superhero We give ourselves the Title And zoom around the atmosphere Oh! Love. https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120. Im sorry that Christians cant come to grips in their confirmation bias that both Yeshua and Pauls ministries was infact Judaism.. But if we want to get closest to The Source, Jesus himself, it makes sense that we should look first to the eyewitness testimony of two of His appointed Apostles who walked with Him faithfully for over 3 years, Matthew & John. Jesus spoke the 3 chapters of the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7, including 7:12. As is his conventional style, NT Wright is overly presuppositionsal in so much of his theology generally that I cannot personally ascribe to him much status as a scholarly commentator . (Paul insisted that all the workers show respect for him by addressing him as Boss Paul.) Paul called the team of painters together and told them: Boys, we need to paint this garage and house. Christians threatened his view and interpretation of the law until his conversion in Acts 9. There once was a phony named Paul who lied about God he had gall. Its not easy for me now in 1973, as a young man just trying to start out in ministry. 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